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[CT]

Nazis used Viking Mythogy and especially Viking imagery to promote the Aryan "master race" as well as using Vikings on recruiting posters throughout northern Europe. So I see where HNT is coming from and how it could make him uncomfortable. Of course, it ultimately depends on the lyrics as speaking or singing of Vikings doesn't automatically mean it's racist. Could be subtle white supremacy messages tucked in there, but I'd have to again, read the lyrics to know for sure. And if it's in a different language that would be tough because who knows if all the references are making the translation you read!

[GL]

Right, that's where the confusion for me is coming from: singing of riding along the waves in giant war-ships and laying waste to enemies doesn't seem like they're racist subjects since to sing about them means to talk about what they did, and that was what they did. And then, when it comes time to translations, I've noticed a lot of the stuff isn't all that accurate as some sites put out different words to the same song, so you don't know what you're getting there.

[HNT]

So, would it be your contention that Burzum stuff is not racist? Or Darkthrone who packages their stuff as "True Aryan Metal" or something along those lines on Transylvanian Hunger? I think you probably know about the statements made by Bard Eithun, Varg Vikernes, and Fenriz, so I won't reiterate them all here. It isn't as if what I am saying should come as a surprise to you. It is notoriously racist and anti-semitic nonsense. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend as if this allegation needs to be substantiated when the musicians themselves are more than happy to pose with Nazi flags and regalia for interviews and make these statements quite publically, I suppose that is your business. It is pretty much the undisputed truth, though. Mayhem, Darkthrone, Burzum, Emperor; all of these bands are admittedly racist and not at all shy about it.

[CT]

That's dicked up.

I can think of only one good use for the Nazi flag: toilet paper!

[GL]

Dec 15, 2009 15:43:43 GMT -5 HNT said:

So, would it be your contention that Burzum stuff is not racist? Or Darkthrone who packages their stuff as "True Aryan Metal" or something along those lines on Transylvanian Hunger? I think you probably know about the statements made by Bard Eithun, Varg Vikernes, and Fenriz, so I won't reiterate them all here. It isn't as if what I am saying should come as a surprise to you. It is notoriously racist and anti-semitic nonsense. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend as if this allegation needs to be substantiated when the musicians themselves are more than happy to pose with Nazi flags and regalia for interviews and make these statements quite publically, I suppose that is your business. It is pretty much the undisputed truth, though. Mayhem, Darkthrone, Burzum, Emperor; all of these bands are admittedly racist and not at all shy about it.

Yes, I do indeed know about those gentlemen, as well as comments made by numerous others out there so, you're right, repeating them makes no sense. I've long held out on Burzum records being in the collection for that reason, though I do own a fair share of stuff from the other bands even though I really don't play them as much as stuff from say Dimmu or Satyricon.

The one thing, though, that I have noticed is that the bands you're quoting as to be responsible for you're self-imposed 'ban' (which is there for lack of a better term) on Black Metal is based mainly around the original Norweigan groups, and, again, I do know what you mean know with regards to your decision, there's a lot more bands out there from other countries, and even other Norweigan groups, which practice far more accessible lyrical matter. Some suggestions were issued earlier in the thread for finding those, so that might be something you can try.

[HNT]

That is fair enough. I suppose I might look into it more. You mention Dimmu, who I really don't care for, but I haven't listened to Satyricon at all so I will look into that one and figure it all out.

[GL]

Satyricon's new album made my Black Metal year-end list for 2009, which should be up in a week or two (I still have to sort through a few others before I finish it off) and I decided to include a video clip from YouTube of either a song or an official video off that particular album, so it'll be quite easy to do so.

Two albums I think you'll really get into, though, are Dark Fortress' Eidolon and Sear Bliss' The Arcane Odyssey. "Eidolon" is a concept album which in its nine chapters describes the initiation, dehumanization and unearthly rebirth of a transcending soul by mirror magic and astral projection, all wrapped up in one of the more accessible yet heavy Black Metal productions around. "The Arcane Odyssey" though is quite a deal more melodic in tone, featuring more keyboards and other obscure instruments into the sound, including trumpets and trombones, but with songtitles like 'Blood on the Milky Way,' 'Lost and Found,' 'Somewhere' and 'Omen of Doom,' nothing sticks out as being too extreme.