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Post by GP on Jan 24, 2008 16:08:46 GMT -5
Lazario, whilst it is a real pleasure to have you on the board and a wonderful occurrence to find such a prolific and educated poster I do feel that you should reel back the accusations of stupidity and relax. This place hosts a number of extremely diverse personalities and all of their opinions are valid and valuable. Horror and exploitation cinema are shot through with poorly reasoned, illogical villains and killers that have offended various minorities and segments of society. Lesbians have, so far, got off quite lightly. I didn't find High Tension offensive, just lazy and generally dissatisfying.
P.S. A blessing is in order for your 100th post.
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Post by Lazario on Jan 24, 2008 16:39:55 GMT -5
I do feel that you should reel back the accusations of stupidity and relax. I'm only saying the argument he used was stupid. That's just the way I feel. I'm often honest to a fault. That fault being, a lot of people do not enjoy hearing what I have to say. My opinion is that everyone is above the kind of stupid argument he used. I would never and don't ever insist that people are stupid for the things they choose to say. I merely accuse the things they say of being stupid. Everyone here will learn quickly, I do not mean anything I don't say directly. There are no hidden messages. And my days of calling people idiots and morons for their opinions are long gone (haven't done that since '04, really). I just think it would be a shame for someone to say the kind of thing GL said back there. I think it's insulting to the horror genre. Regardless of how much influence is taken from exploitation. Thanks for everything, Me. (signed, like a letter) Horror and exploitation cinema are shot through with poorly reasoned, illogical villains and killers that have offended various minorities and segments of society. Lesbians have, so far, got off quite lightly. I didn't find High Tension offensive, just lazy and generally dissatisfying. That's a decent and true-enough argument. And the opinion among the community of horror filmmakers (who stick to the genre on enough occasions) that most horror movies are crap. I, generally speaking, share that opinion. And there are several categories of bad. Some of these films are practically hateful and offensive. Haute/High Tension is one of them.
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Post by GP on Jan 24, 2008 16:55:51 GMT -5
I'm often honest to a fault. That fault being, a lot of people do not enjoy hearing what I have to say. Honesty is never a fault. The practice of labelling opinions you disagree with as stupid is. Whatever you have to say then go ahead and say it. You won't offend anyone here, you may however come across as self-righteous and over-sensitive. That's not offensive, or even challenging. It's just irritating.
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Post by HNT on Jan 24, 2008 18:52:44 GMT -5
I would first like to agree with GP for pointing out that some decorum in terms of avoiding inflammatory and insulting language in our posts is something that we all strive for around here. This is a tight knit commuity of folks who have been talking to one another for quite some time. YOu will ruffle quite a few feathers if you elect to insult members that have been around here for quite a long time. On the other hand, it is truly a treat to welcome you to the board and to thank yoou for posting frequently and having an informed and interesting opinion on these matters. I, for one, am genuinely enjoying our discussion on the Wes Craven board and look forward to advancing it further as soon as I have a moment to put my thoughts down in post.
On another note, I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly about Hight Tension, and have called the ending homophobic on several occasions. I had avoided this thread until now becuae I had said what I had to say about the film elsewhere, but I would like to chime in and say that it is nice not to be an army of one on this particular point finallyy, lol
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Post by Lazario on Jan 25, 2008 9:00:23 GMT -5
you may however come across as self-righteous and over-sensitive. That's not offensive, or even challenging. It's just irritating. That's exactly what I meant when I said people often don't like what I have to say. I also took the time to say, Very Carefully (I hope), that I mean nothing personal by anything I say - as an insult to people, personally. But like I said, I am harsh. And it comes naturally for me to harshly discourage opinions that I feel hurt the integrity of the Horror Genre. I don't have the money to be a big Collector-Fan, I don't have the time (or money) to go to the conventions, I'm not the most skilled person in the world - this is kind of "my thing." And people frequently mistake it for "personal insults." Nothing could be further from my mind. I would first like to agree with GP for pointing out that some decorum in terms of avoiding inflammatory and insulting language in our posts is something that we all strive for around here. This is a tight knit commuity of folks who have been talking to one another for quite some time. You will ruffle quite a few feathers if you elect to insult members that have been around here for quite a long time. All I ask is that you try to be patient with me. Most other people are not. Which is probably why I keep apologizing. Saves time, and hopefully they understand my intention. I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly about Hight Tension, and have called the ending homophobic on several occasions. I had avoided this thread until now becuae I had said what I had to say about the film elsewhere, but I would like to chime in and say that it is nice not to be an army of one on this particular point finally, lol That's very good to hear. Sometimes when I look at the online reviews (and such) for High Tension and hear people praise it as much as it gets praised, I have to look back and say- "Is the whole world crazy?" But in the hopes of getting something productive established on behalf of this movie... When a director is making a statement on a (somewhat) serious subject and he doesn't care about it, or doesn't treat it with integrity... I feel like he should be regarded with disdain. And the way he portrays the lesbian character in this film is highly offensive and he deserves to be called on it. Plus, I had other reasons for saying what I've said about this movie. On the basis that it's garbage - I think it's also a completely un-tense movie. I don't even think the editing, camera placements, settings, music - any of those elements were effective in this movie. I wouldn't call it garbage just because I have a social-beef with it. That's just one thing that seemed to drive it to be made. A "gay" twist sure sounds like something to a studio that people will remember and talk about. Hence, they'll make money off of it. I think most people just like it because it's, in a sense, "hard core." Meaning- gritty, violent, and gory. I think it's pandering. In every sense of the word. And to me, a "Best" horror movie of any sort has more to it than this does. Sleaze and offensiveness aside.
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Post by GL on Jan 25, 2008 11:39:51 GMT -5
As the person to who he was replying to, let it be known that I never took anything you said towards me in any way, shape or form as insulting or derogertory. I let those roll off the cheek, so to speak, so no hard feelings.
That said, I brought up the argument as you yourself used it in your flamming of the film. To, in a sense, lower it down to a near porno-level of film meant that a similar sort of retaliation would be needed. That was the level it had disintegrated to, and so it was necessary to use that in defense of the film. Feeling differently is fine, but you were the one that took it there.
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Post by Jen on Jan 25, 2008 12:05:46 GMT -5
I didn't find High Tension offensive, just lazy and generally dissatisfying. That's pretty much how I feel about it. Not offensive to me, but I do feel it went for shock at the expense of story. And for some movies, maybe that would be fine. With High Tension, it just seems like the people involved felt it was far more clever than it really was. I have problems with that. It takes itself WAY too seriously, and thinks it is oh so smart when really, its just not and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I have the same problem with Saw actually. But I do think a lot of it was well done. If they hadn't felt the need to throw a twist in there, I think it could have been a fine horror film (reminded me a lot of Dean Koontz's Intensity though).
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