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Post by GL on Mar 19, 2007 12:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by CT on Mar 19, 2007 12:18:26 GMT -5
Their stand against the cops was brave of course but I didn't see it as heroic. I was rooting for the cops, I was happy to see the Fireflys go although they are entertaining characters. And the way they tortured and murdered people is ALL about control. That's what they got off on, what made them tick. It makes ZERO sense that they would give up their control at the end to be taken prisoner and executed. They liked to dictate the way others went out, of course they're not going to give up the right to dictate the way they go out themselves.
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Post by CK on Mar 19, 2007 12:20:30 GMT -5
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Post by GL on Mar 19, 2007 12:20:59 GMT -5
I don't know. Common sense, for me, dictated that it was a stupid move and I saw it that way.
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Post by Jen on Mar 19, 2007 13:03:49 GMT -5
Well, I don't see either of these movies as having a "hero". They are entertaining, yes, but I also was rooting for the cops. They had to die, or they had to answer for their actions in someway. These aren't likeable, sympathetic characters, they are monsters. I don't see their actions as being heroic, brave or even moronic (or particularly smart either). I don't think that is what it is about. Ever heard of suicide by cop? It happens a lot, with spree killers particularly, when they realize they aren't going to be taken alive and don't WANT to be. It has nothing to do with intelligence or lack there of, there often comes a point when a killer decides they are going out on their own terms, they aren't going to be put in a cage and held accountable for their crimes. That takes the power away from them, like CT says, it is all about control. They could control this situation somewhat. Yes, they end up dead. But they aren't put on trial for their crimes, they aren't truly punished; which would give some of the power back to their victims and their families.
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Post by CT on Mar 19, 2007 21:46:39 GMT -5
Of course I never would be , but if I were a mass murderer and capture was inevitable (which would mean either life imprisonment without the chance of parole, or the death penalty, probably after several years or decades of rotting in a cell) I would much rather be shot to death in a few quick easy moments than string it out the rest of my life and have my death be the under the control of others (when and where you die, etc.). It's basically a quick and easy death over a slow and painful death. To me that would be common sense.
I did always wonder why they didn't just turn around and at least try to get away in the other direction though.
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Post by Canetoad on Mar 19, 2007 22:02:15 GMT -5
Good point. But hey, I preferred the final suicidal charge to some crappy car chase, so I'm prepared to let that one go
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Post by GL on Mar 20, 2007 10:35:02 GMT -5
I would've prefered the car chase myself. I'm an action junkie and that would've been a great way to end it: the car slipping out of control and doing an impressive series of rolls and flips before finally crashing and exploding into a massive fireball. I'd rather have that than a suicidal charge, and I did wonder the same thing myself, CT, when they stopped the car and showed their reactions to the off-screen threat before panning over to see the police line.
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Post by CT on Mar 21, 2007 0:17:25 GMT -5
Yeah and Otis stopped several hundred yards before the blockade it seemed. Plenty of room to turn around.
I don't disagree that an action-packed car chase resulting in their demise could have been better than the suicide charge, I just think them surrendering or getting captured would have been a weak ending.
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Post by GL on Mar 21, 2007 10:15:47 GMT -5
I caught the distance thing as well, really strange. And seeing as how they were all outside of the cars, a rapid turn-around and a high-speed escape could've given them a big head-start and a real chance at escaping. By the time they realize what has happened, get into the cars and take off, they might be a mile or so away, and that could've lead to their escape. Plenty of time to hide somewhere and let them pass, then coming out and making their escape back the way the police came. Of course, that would've been the ending had he wanted to do another one, and is the least likely one, but it still would've been better than the suicide ending.
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Post by Jen on Mar 21, 2007 11:43:46 GMT -5
I personally like the suicide charge, car chases are overdone in my opinion and better left in action films. I actually think the suicide charge is more in character. They had taken it as far as they could, they were at the end, and they realized that. Even if they somehow managed to escape by some miracle, they would have been caught pretty soon, and there was less of a chance of them getting to go out in such a big way, in their OWN way.
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Post by CT on Mar 22, 2007 8:12:42 GMT -5
I actually think the suicide charge is more in character. They had taken it as far as they could, they were at the end, and they realized that. Even if they somehow managed to escape by some miracle, they would have been caught pretty soon, and there was less of a chance of them getting to go out in such a big way, in their OWN way. Probably true...
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Post by CK on Mar 22, 2007 8:35:27 GMT -5
I personally like the suicide charge, car chases are overdone in my opinion and better left in action films. I actually think the suicide charge is more in character. They had taken it as far as they could, they were at the end, and they realized that. Even if they somehow managed to escape by some miracle, they would have been caught pretty soon, and there was less of a chance of them getting to go out in such a big way, in their OWN way.
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Post by GL on Mar 22, 2007 10:28:22 GMT -5
I prefer car chases, it's my background more than straight-up horror and love to see that stuff in the films. It keeps the interest in the film rather than going off somewhere else, and by keeping me in the film longer I'm more likely to look past it's flaws and enjoy it more.
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Post by Jen on Mar 22, 2007 11:37:39 GMT -5
I personally like the suicide charge, car chases are overdone in my opinion and better left in action films. I actually think the suicide charge is more in character. They had taken it as far as they could, they were at the end, and they realized that. Even if they somehow managed to escape by some miracle, they would have been caught pretty soon, and there was less of a chance of them getting to go out in such a big way, in their OWN way. Thanks CK
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