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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 10:32:17 GMT -5
Well, whoever brought up the Friday the 13th films was not being reasonable. A quick ax in the face, a second-long spear in the mouth... these things cannot be compared to a series of women with their vaginas and groins sliced up! And anyone who thinks so is crazy. Their general consensus was that it was a nasty, graphic thriller but neither felt it was out of order or any more mysoginistic than the average teen slasher flick That's what I took as you bringing up the Friday the 13th series. But, I see you didn't mention it by name. So, okay- you are right about that. However, your bringing up teen slasher flicks does feel like an attack on my defense of these films in the Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Halloween threads / boards.
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Post by GP on Feb 11, 2008 10:42:25 GMT -5
Their general consensus was that it was a nasty, graphic thriller but neither felt it was out of order or any more mysoginistic than the average teen slasher flick That's what I took as you bringing up the Friday the 13th series. But, I see you didn't mention it by name. So, okay- you are right about that. However, your bringing up teen slasher flicks does feel like an attack on my defense of these films in the Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Halloween threads / boards. It had nothing to do with that, I myself am very fond of teen slasher flicks, the Halloween series (I-IV) in particular, and some of my favourite eighties movies fit that category precisely. It was a very brief summary of the discussion I had with my sister and girlfriend after I explained NYR's tawdry history with the British censor. I judged that the opinion of two intelligent, professional thirty-something women was relevant to this topic. You have a habit of taking things very personally.
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 10:54:10 GMT -5
You have a habit of taking things very personally. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was taking it that way. I only take this movie personally. As an attack on the quality of the Horror Genre.
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Post by HNT on Feb 11, 2008 11:00:33 GMT -5
I stand by my earlier assertion of the comparison to F13. MY comparison was not to equate the levels of violence or mysogyny in the two films. Obviously, the level of mysogyny in this film far exceeds that of the Friday the 13th series, and my post made it perfectly clear that I understood that. My point was only that mainstream reviewers have been calling slashers mysogynistic for decades, and that your willingness to savage this film's viewers as if they are somehow less attuned to femimism or wmen's rights than you are is just not right. The fact is that most of the mainstream movie going public would have said preciesely the same thing about you. The degree to which you are squirming and uncomfortable with the ables being turned on you is precisely why you should not have done it in the first place.
In addition, I will reiterate that your assertion that there is an artistic defense for the Friday films that are not present for this film is laughable. Friday the 13th films are bad movies by any legitimate artistic measure. They are B-movie sleaze that is only slightly more highbrow than NY Ripper is. Your claim that those films are both not mysoginistic and are artistically defensable merely because you happen to like them is silly and is the heart of arrogance. At the end of the day, you are quite unreasonable in the way that you assert your opinions as if no one can disagree with you. Although I'm certain that you are completely confident in the correctness of all of your statements, the degree of logical fallacy and unwillingness to consider seriously any points of view that differ from yours indicates a fundamental stubborness and weakness in your reasoning ability that can only be borne of foolishness.
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 11:07:11 GMT -5
Your claim that those films are both not misogynistic and are artistically defensable merely because you happen to like them is silly and is the heart of arrogance. That is not what I said. Not even close.
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Post by HNT on Feb 11, 2008 11:20:31 GMT -5
So, shall I gather from your brief response that you gave scant consideration to anything that I said above. I suppse I didn't have any reason to expect more from you, but I figured I'd give you a shot.
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Post by GL on Feb 11, 2008 11:59:04 GMT -5
Ah, it's hopless to argue with someone as bone-headed as he is. Therefore, we shall end it all here, and more posts relating to this topic shall be deleted upon inspection. The Mod for the section has spoken.
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Post by CK on Feb 11, 2008 12:07:02 GMT -5
Lets fight nice children LOL. Dont make me get my BOOMSTICK!!!!!!! LOL
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Post by HNT on Feb 11, 2008 13:00:43 GMT -5
nah, GL. PLease let him respond if he so desires. I am more than capable of responding without allowing this to trn into a complete flame war. I don't have any problem with people disagreeing with me and would rather that you dn't limit his ability to speak his mind. Obviously it is you section and you can do what you want, but that does not seem ike a solution to me
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Post by GP on Feb 11, 2008 13:44:59 GMT -5
I'm just surprised nobody has mentioned Hitler yet!
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 14:07:16 GMT -5
Sorry, HNT, but Ginger Pete and GL have already begun using personal insults. It's probably best to stop.
I will say, however, that if I'm the bone-headed one here... That word has suddenly become a Compliment.
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Post by GP on Feb 11, 2008 14:13:21 GMT -5
For once, and for all... A piece of garbage like this...etc So, no more talk comparing these films. You'll never come up with a case good enough anyway. Jesus Christ Monkey Balls. People disagree, get over yourself! What on Earth makes you so arrogant as to think you can dictate to us what we may and may not discuss/debate/argue on this board? I assume you're referring to this? In the context in which it was asked it was a fair question in my opinion, one I stand by and that you failed to answer.
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 14:45:39 GMT -5
it was a fair question in my opinion, one I stand by and that you failed to answer. How admirable. Here's what I stand by: Ginger Pete and GL have already begun using personal insults. It's probably best to stop.
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Post by CK on Feb 11, 2008 14:50:01 GMT -5
Well it has been happening in other threads as well, if this is what I came back then for fucks sake I am truly sorry I came back. I reemember when things like this were done in a friendly manner. I really dont want to flex my admin muscle, but if things dont become more civil I will.
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 14:53:57 GMT -5
Well, I feel like I colored perfectly within the lines. I'm not the one who started calling people "arrogant," "bone-headed," and "Hitler."
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