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Post by GL on Sept 14, 2006 19:40:04 GMT -5
I know there's only a couple Black Metal fans on here (me, LdC, and probably Conan) but this is something that I just had to share: Paula Hogan of MANIC Music & Distribution and Candlelight Records USA has contacted BLABBERMOUTH.NET to report that "eBay is currently starting a ban on black/extreme metal. A few of our vendors who have sizeable eBay stores are now finding their items pulled down by eBay directly. The list we have compiled so far that have been pulled for sale via any eBay stores or auctions is noted below. I'm sure there are more."
Added Dan Ferguson of Indianapolis, IN's Abyss Records: "I had a number of items removed and account suspended by selling black metal. It seems a group of so-called Christians have been reporting black metal bands (even though eBay has black metal as a search genre) as all racist and hateful and discriminatory."
In eBay's e-mail to Ferguson explaining their decision to remove his listing, they write, "eBay doesn't permit sellers to list items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, or racial intolerance. Items that promote organizations with such views are also prohibited.
"eBay will judiciously disallow listings or items that promote or glorify hatred, violence or racial intolerance, or items that promote organizations (such as Nazis, neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation) with such views. This policy also applies to listings that offer shipping to countries where certain items may be illegal."www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=58406As a fan of the music, I, of course, find this highly offensive and extremely prejudiced. It's a form of music that has undergone a lot of hardship and it has been only through ignorance that it is pushed aside and left as a snubbed artform. To do this only alienates it more so than it already is. |
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Post by Nobody on Sept 14, 2006 20:12:43 GMT -5
It is true that a good majority of Black Metal is racist and support nazi and/or national socialistic views. However, there are many bands that do not; i.e. Witchery, Emperor, Dragonlord, Venom, Immortal, and Satyricon. As much as I hate NSBM, I don't feel that ebay should automatically stop selling them. Im sure they wouldn't stop selling books by Fundamentalist Christians who pray for the day when all non-christians will be thrown into a firey pit and killed. As Noam Chomsky has pointed out many times, if you don't support freedom of speech for everyone, then you don't support freedom of speech. Ebay is a private company though so its up to them what they really want to do.
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Post by Conan on Sept 14, 2006 22:06:03 GMT -5
That is so stupid. E-bay sucks now.
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Post by Nobody on Sept 14, 2006 22:27:59 GMT -5
Not by a long shot does ebay suck now. I get more than half of my DVDs off of ebay. They are mostly taking off items that are listed as NSBM or have key words like white power in the listing. Its a private company so if they want to take the listings off I can't really blame them. It sucks if they are taking all BM down, but I can't blame them for taking NSBM off. If I had my own website like that I wouldn't want people selling racist stuff on it either. I know Im contradicting myself because of my post above about freedom of speech for everyone, but hey....its a private company.
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Post by GL on Sept 15, 2006 10:04:50 GMT -5
Yes, but think of the ramifications it can cause. If they take down those listings, what's to stop them from taking down horror and cult films, especially if the same excuse is given? It's not a large step to go from Black Metal to horror films, and the same kind of situation could very easily happen.
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Post by CT on Sept 15, 2006 12:13:11 GMT -5
My guess is these so called "Christians" have more of a problem with the type of music, rather than the message behind it. That's why this seems stupid to me. I have no problem if they ban stuff that promotes hatred based on race etc, but it sounds like plenty of stuff that doesn't fit under that will get banned. And I'm sure there's plenty of stuff that deserves to be banned, that won't be. Just sounds stupid to me.
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Post by Nobody on Sept 15, 2006 16:05:08 GMT -5
Indeed.
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Post by HNT on Sept 16, 2006 16:37:29 GMT -5
As LDC has correclty pointed out, it i not a freedom of speech issue when a private company elects not to sell something tht they find to be objectionable or would rather not be associated with. If the USA said that black metl wasn't allowed in this country, that would be a different story. In any event, I think that bannning this tpe of "extreme" music as a practical matter just makes no sense. The vast majority of its fans (not all, of course) are teenage kid wo see buyig controversial stuff like this as an act of rebellion. Most of them don't care very much about musical quality or artistic merit, as very few bands in this genre have any. If you want to kill BM off, therefore, the mot effective way to do it i to make it readily available to anyone who wants it and just ignore it. Once it ceases to be a status symbol, people will actually have to like the music to buy it. Not very many people would do that.
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Post by GL on Sept 17, 2006 10:29:03 GMT -5
As LDC has correclty pointed out, it i not a freedom of speech issue when a private company elects not to sell something tht they find to be objectionable or would rather not be associated with. If the USA said that black metl wasn't allowed in this country, that would be a different story. In any event, I think that bannning this tpe of "extreme" music as a practical matter just makes no sense. The vast majority of its fans (not all, of course) are teenage kid wo see buyig controversial stuff like this as an act of rebellion. Most of them don't care very much about musical quality or artistic merit, as very few bands in this genre have any. If you want to kill BM off, therefore, the mot effective way to do it i to make it readily available to anyone who wants it and just ignore it. Once it ceases to be a status symbol, people will actually have to like the music to buy it. Not very many people would do that. But haven't they done that already with the Parental Advisory label? That's what it was meant for: to kill off the genre of music the parent's didn't like by not allowing the target age to keep from buying it. |
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Post by CT on Sept 20, 2006 18:31:46 GMT -5
The vast majority of its fans (not all, of course) are teenage kid wo see buyig controversial stuff like this as an act of rebellion. Most of them don't care very much about musical quality or artistic merit, as very few bands in this genre have any. If you want to kill BM off, therefore, the mot effective way to do it i to make it readily available to anyone who wants it and just ignore it. Once it ceases to be a status symbol, people will actually have to like the music to buy it. Not very many people would do that.
lol, good points |
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Post by Nobody on Sept 20, 2006 18:43:50 GMT -5
That is true. There are very few real talented musicians in extreme metal, but you can look at practically any genre and see that most have no real talent.
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Post by GL on Sept 21, 2006 15:19:37 GMT -5
Most of the groups I listen to have no real talent, they just turn out generic copies of each other. But that's the fun of listening to this kind of music.
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Post by CT on Sept 21, 2006 15:35:05 GMT -5
That is true. There are very few real talented musicians in extreme metal, but you can look at practically any genre and see that most have no real talent. |
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Post by Nobody on Sept 21, 2006 16:55:03 GMT -5
It is not true for extreme metal and you will probably find less talented muscians in extreme metal than most other genres, but you will only find a handful of talented people in any genre of music. Look at hip hop. There is so much shit out there that you practically have to listen to underground hip hop or older hip hop to find anything worth listening to. Im not trying to defend exteme metal either because I listen to all genres of music, Im just saying the truth.
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Post by Canetoad on Sept 21, 2006 17:47:19 GMT -5
Prohibition of any sort - drugs, alcohol, pornography or music - only has one outcome, and that is to drive the price of the commodity up, encourage bootlegging. It makes the product more desirable and more expensive, while usually also diminishing the quality.
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