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Post by abraxas on Apr 30, 2010 6:12:35 GMT -5
List the zombie films that you have, these can be traditional zombie flicks or other types of films that were inspired by zombie films....such as Night of the Creeps, or movies about Cannibals.
1. Dawn of the Dead (ultimate edition) 2. Hard Rock Zombies 3. Zombi3 4. The Return of the Living Dead (special edition) 5. Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things 6. Zombi4 7. Night of the Creeps (special edition, inspired) 8. Demons (inspired, Demons not Zombies) 9. Demons 2 (inspired, Demons not Zombies) 10. Revolt of the Zombies 11. Night of the Living Dead (4 different copies, 2 different version) 12. Night of the Living Dead 90' (remake) 13. Zombieland 14. Land of the Dead 15. Day of the Dead 16. Zombi 17. Shawn of the Dead 18. 28 Days Later (inspired, infection) 19. Murder at the Manchester Morgue (VHS) 20. The Evil Dead (inspired) 21. Evil Dead 2 Dead by Dawn (inspired) 22. Army of Darkness (inspired) 23. Cannibal Holocaust (inspired) 24. Re-Animator (inspired) 25. Re-Animator II (inspired) 26. Beyond Re-Animator (inspired) 27. The Last Man on Earth (zombie vampire crossover) 28. The Oblong Box (inspired)
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Post by GL on Apr 30, 2010 10:48:25 GMT -5
The Evil Dead films aren't zombie films, they're demon possession films. I've never understood why they've been called that, there's nothing zombie-like about them.
Anyway, this'll take a while, so bear with me:
On DVD- Army of the Dead The Beyond Bone Sickness Burial Ground: The Nights of Terror Cannibal Ferox Cannibal Holocaust City of the Living Dead Dawn of the Dead (78) Dawn of the Dead (04) Dawn of the Mummy Day of the Dead (85) The Dead Hate the Living Dead Moon Rising The Dead Next Door Deadlands 2: Trapped Dorm of the Dead Erotic Nights of the Living Dead Flesh for the Beast The Ghost Galleon Land of the Dead Let Sleeping Corpses Lie Mountain of the Cannibal God Nightmare City Night of the Living Dead (68) Night of the Living Dead (90) Night of the Seagulls Oasis of the Zombies Poultrygeist: Night of the Chicken Dead Premutos: Lord of the Living Dead Resident Evil Resident Evil: Apocalypse Resident Evil: Extinction Return of the Blind Dead Shaun of the Dead Tomb of the Blind Dead World War Z Zombie 2 Zombie 3 Zombie 4: After Death Zombie 5: Killing Birds Zombie Lake Zombie Strippers Zombi Holocaust
Taped off cable- 28 Days Later 28 Weeks Later All Souls Day: Dia de los Muertos A Cadaver Christmas Cemetery Man Children of the Living Dead Cockneys vs. Zombies Dance of the Dead Day of the Dead (08) Dead Air Dead Alive Dead and Breakfast Dead Heat Dead Heist Dead Snow DeadHeads Detention of the Dead The Devil Came From Akasava Devil's Playground Diary of the Dead Doomed Fido Flight of the Living Dead Gangs of the Living Dead House of the Dead House of the Dead II: Dead Aim I Walked with a Zombie The Incredibly Strange Things Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies Juan of the Dead The Mad Mortuary Mutants (08) Night of the Creeps Resident Evil: Afterlife Resident Evil: Retribution Return of the Living Dead Return of the Living Dead 2 Return of the Living Dead 3 Revenge of the Zombies The Revolting Dead Ring of Darkness The Rising Dead Route 666 The Serpent and the Rainbow State of Emergency Undead Undead or Alive White Zombie Wicked Little Things Zombie Campout Zombie Honeymoon Zombies of Mora Tau Zombieland
On Normal VHS- Chopper Chicks in Zombietown Curse of the Cannibal Confederates The Dead Pit Flesheater Eaten Alive Hot Wax Zombies on Wheels The Mansion of the Living Dead Nudist Colony of the Dead The Plague of the Zombies Shock Waves
Other- 13 Eerie 2012: Zombie Apocalypse Aaah! Zombies! Abraham Lincoln vs. Zombies Battle of the Damned Beast Within Boy Eats Girl Cemetery of Terror Colin Day of the Dead 2: Contagium Days of Darkness The Dead The Dead 2 Dead and Deader Dead Before Dawn Dead Genesis Dead Men Walking Dead Season Death Valley: The Revenge of Bloody Bill Descendents Disaster L.A. Evilution Exit Humanity Feeding the Masses Gallowwalkers Gangsters, Guns and Zombies Hide and Creep Humans vs. Zombies I Am Omega The Killing Strain Last Rites of the Dead A Little Bit Zombie Mutants (09) Planet Terror Pot Zombies Raiders of the Living Dead Rammbock: Berlin Undead Return of the Living Dead: Necropolis Return of the Living Dead: Rave from the Grave Rise of the Zombies Santo vs. The Zombies Severed: Forest of the Damned Skin Crawl Special Dead Steve Niles' Remains Survival of the Dead Zombie Bloodbath Zombie Bloodbath 2: Rage of the Undead Zombie Bloodbath 3: Zombie Armageddon The Zombie Chronicles Zombie Deathhouse Zombie Night (2003) Zombie Night (2013) Zombie Town Zombie Wars Zombie Women of Satan Zombies! Zombies! Zombies! Zombies Gone Wild Zombies of Mass Destruction
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Post by CT on Apr 30, 2010 20:14:15 GMT -5
Not to be a stickler abraxas, but the just wanna chat board is more for non movie discussions. Try to keep your movie threads in the appropriate genre or non horror movies board. Good thread idea though, thanks for that. Here's mine, not as impressive as you guys.
VHS Dawn of the Dead '78 Evil Dead (if these count, not sure if I think they should)
DVD White Zombie (maybe a stretch?) Original NOTLD Zombi 2 Evil Dead 2 Army of Darkness ROTLD 28 Days Later 28 Weeks Later
Blu Ray Shaun of the Dead Zombieland
Guess I'm more of a zombie comedy guy. Though the Living Dead Series and 28 Days Later (not the sequel that was a blind buy) are all stellar IMO.
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Post by 7 on Apr 30, 2010 20:57:04 GMT -5
I can't believe you actually had the willpower to write out that list, GL.
I own the basics, I would say. I'm not exactly straying off the beaten path with my small collection of zombie films:
Zombie Night of the Living Dead Dawn of the Dead Day of the Dead Dead Alive The Fog (this totally counts: zombie ghost leper pirates!)
The last one was reaching to pad my meager list, though it still qualifies.
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Post by abraxas on May 2, 2010 11:23:36 GMT -5
Can someone move this tread then to a proper place So Evil Dead shouldn't be counted as zombie movies? Yet you put Cannibal Holocaust and other "cannibal" movies on your list. No Evil Dead is not a zombie movie but its well documented that it is influenced by the zombie genre, just as Cannibal movies clearly were. Also I believe we already had a thread about this question and you were out voted
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Post by CT on May 2, 2010 17:50:39 GMT -5
I already moved it to the living dead section, it's cool here.
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Post by HNT on May 3, 2010 8:44:33 GMT -5
I think the Evil Dead films are basically zombie films. They are also demonic possession films, but while possessed the people exhibit all of the characteristics of zombies as opposed to, say, the characteristics of a typical possession ala The Exorcist. Also, Cannibal films, while clearly a related genre, are not zombie films. In any case, I will have to look at my collection a little bit closer before I can make a completely accurate list. One thing for sure, I definitely don't own nearly as many zombie films as I've seen over the years at various times
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Post by GL on May 3, 2010 10:20:37 GMT -5
I can't believe I left out Hell of the Living Dead, one of my favorites. You'd think a film I gave a 9/10 to I would remember, and that one especially, but apparently I forgot, and I guess I can add Pontypool to my list of Taped off cable as well.
I left in the Jungle Cannibal films, namely because those are indeed the closest to true zombie films, which I what I interpreted this thread to be about. Indeed, they have their own genre all to themselves, but I wasn't going to add stuff like Ravenous and Cannibal: The Musical as they are so far removed from zombie films, despite the presence of cannibals, that they devalue this thread topic.
And HNT, demonic possession films are totally different from zombie films. The Evil Dead films are demon possession, much the same way that you would call films like the 976-Evil films, and those other films like The Exorcist are Exorcism films, stuck in their own separate genre as well. If that scene appears in the film, then they belong in that genre, and while that doesn't appear here, it's not a Exorcism film despite the common theme of possession appearing in both films. Just having the one common point appear doesn't make it a part of the genre when there's so many other factors that appear in that one which are similar to others that are slightly different in context.
To use another point, "Godzilla, King of the Monsters" and "The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" are both Giant Monster Movies, they both follow the same basic storyline, both feature a giant monster appearing in a major city that causes tons of destruction, and both have a lone scientist devising a way of stopping the creature, yet the only grouping the two share is the fact that they're both Giant Monster Movies. The difference is the manner of special effects execution, as "Beast" was stop-motion and "Godzilla" is suit-mation. Each of those are separated into distinct genres because of that characteristic, with tons of individuals appearing in those groupings, due to that difference.
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Post by abraxas on May 3, 2010 11:55:09 GMT -5
What the hell was that all about, I pressed reply and got a message saying to wait their are too many connections.
But, GL I did say....."or movies inspired by the zombie genre"
Sam Raimi has said in interviews that Night of the Living Dead was an inspiration for Evil Dead, and since he made the movie I think he should know.
And Chem movies like White Zombie certainly would fit such a list, the only difference in those films is the way the zombies came to life, but they are most certainly zombie movies, for without them there would have been no Night of the Living Dead, they are the original inspiration of the modern zombie film.
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Post by GL on May 4, 2010 9:50:42 GMT -5
They display no characteristics of zombiedom, I don't count them as such. There's nothing about them that reminds me of zombies, I don't count them that way.
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Post by HNT on May 4, 2010 10:09:49 GMT -5
They display no characteristics of zombiedom, except that they consume human flesh, have a grotesquely damaged and rotting skin appearance, and can only be stopped by being dismembered. So far as I'm concerned the deadites, while perhaps not strictly zombies in the narrowest sense, are close enough that the films seem to overlap several genres. Very good stuff, indeed
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Post by 7 on May 4, 2010 13:44:04 GMT -5
this is an annoyingly tedious and pedantic semantics argument.
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Post by abraxas on May 5, 2010 7:06:08 GMT -5
Maybe so Seven but this is a debate that has been going on for a long time.
Gl they are not zombies true, but to say they posses no relation is totally not true...lets just go by the title of the film.....the "EVIL" "DEAD" (THE DEAD?) which is to say they are "the dead" possessed by demons. Rather then being "possessed" by some unknown factor, which is what you see in traditional zombie films
Basically what the Evil Dead are are zombies with an explanation, rather then say Night of the Living Dead zombies where there is no explanation.
1. The Evil Dead swallow souls, the Living Dead swallow flesh.
2. In all of the scenes featuring the evil dead they are walking like zombies.
3. Even if you decapitate the evil dead they still go after you, if you decapitate a zombie the head is still alive.
These could hardly be described as having no relation.
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Post by GL on May 5, 2010 10:07:54 GMT -5
No, there's still nothing there to call them zombies:
1. There's no rotting skin to any of them. Their eyes are whitened out and they get strange marks on their face. That's battle scars, not anything indicative of zombie-dom.
2. They fail to consume human flesh. As Abraxas said, they swallow souls, not flesh. Their main goal is not to consume the body and it's inner/outer parts, but a soul, and the manner they go about that is entirely un-zombie-like, trying to inflict as much torment and torture on them emotionally before setting up the final deed. There's a joy they have to be able to torment Ash in their activities, and that they even do that to begin with is cause for immediate dismissal. They play with their food before eating it, whereas zombies go right for it and don't think about anything else.
3. It's a bullet to the head that's supposedly kills zombies (which is so stupid I wish not to get started on that here) not dismemberment. Sure, it's been used before, but the main one is a bullet in the brain, not dismemberment. And besides, wasn't Cheryl still wriggling around despite being placed into about a dozen pieces and was still completely cognizant enough to be making threats at Ash as he was doing the work? Even Evil Ash still threatened Ash when he was just a head in the grave, so it's not a complete deterrence.
4. As for the behavior, again, nothing there like zombies. Zombies shuffle around lethargically, yet can move fast enough to catch someone when they sense them to be near. Yet what's the most famous shot from the films: the demons-eye-view point going along the ground fast enough to keep up with a car, which shows them to be capable of running at superhuman speeds, and within the cabin, they display a lot more speed (appearing in hallways a second later than they weren't before and attacking Ash with big surprise lurches) which are far more speedy than zombies can do. Plus, they talk. Behavior completely unlike zombies.
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Post by HNT on May 5, 2010 11:22:11 GMT -5
wow, GL, you have invested far mroe analysis into this than it deserves. While I agree with you that Deadites are not zombies per se, I also agree with Abraxas that a lot of their behaviors, especially in the original, are reminiscent of zombies. I call this one a draw, and think that since both of you like the film this is a bit of an unecessary distinction to draw. If one of you was trying to say the movie was bad, I'd come armed for this fight. Whether they are zombies, demons, or some other horrific entity, however, is just not a question worth expending this much time and energy. Seriously, you guys seem pretty smart. I think that if you worked together and spent even a portion of the time that you spend contemplating questions like this on something bigger and more immediate, you would both be millionaires and might even do something spectacular like cure cancer.
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