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Post by GL on Aug 29, 2012 11:15:42 GMT -5
I definitely thought it was the lesser of his mainline action films, as Commando, True Lies, T2 and Predator are all higher on my list, yet I still have it higher than Raw Deal, T3 and The Running Man, though I do enjoy that one enough to make it an intermediary choice.
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Post by HNT on Aug 29, 2012 11:53:31 GMT -5
You don't put it ahead of Commando and Predator? Personally, I definitely think it is better than COmmando, which I always found to be a pretty lame movie all in all (though it is undeniably 80's fun). Predator is a better movie than COmmando, but I would always choose Total Recall over it.
As for my favorite Arnie films, I would put Total Recall pretty high on the list, behind only True Lies, Terminator 1 and 2, and Conan the Barbarian (which is a guilty pleasure favorite of mine).
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Post by The Walking Dude on Aug 29, 2012 18:22:21 GMT -5
For me it would go T1&2 (about equal),The Running Man,Predator,Commando,then probably Total Recall with a few of the others straggling behind. The Conan films barely even register on my radar as I'm not into sword and sorcery.
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Post by GL on Aug 30, 2012 10:17:57 GMT -5
I'm not either, but I did enjoy the first one though I haven't seen it in years nor do I own it.
Commando holds a special place in my heart as it was my first Arnie film, plus I still hold it up as the perfect example of what I like about American action films: simple, to the point and blows a bunch of shit up. The comedy there is secondary to me, but all other areas I consider it a perfect Action film. Predator might be his best-made film (to borrow the Halloween/F13 analogy) but I get more entertainment value out of Commando.
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Post by HNT on Aug 30, 2012 14:15:05 GMT -5
No way Predator is his best made film, man. That isn't even close. Terminator 1 and 2 are his best made films, and I leave it to you to pick a preference as they are both great. Of course, we are ignoring the brilliance that is Kindergarten Cop in this silly conversation, though, and I really think we need to correct that mistake ASAP
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Post by CT on Aug 30, 2012 17:38:12 GMT -5
I could never get into the Arnie action movies, aside from the Terminators. Just don't really appeal to me at all for some reason.
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Post by GL on Aug 31, 2012 10:41:39 GMT -5
No way Predator is his best made film, man. That isn't even close. Terminator 1 and 2 are his best made films, and I leave it to you to pick a preference as they are both great. Of course, we are ignoring the brilliance that is Kindergarten Cop in this silly conversation, though, and I really think we need to correct that mistake ASAP Well, I thought we were talking about his action films, not his comedies so that omission was indeed intended though not forced in any way. I've never really bought the story of the Terminator films, which is why I don't put them up as his best works. Frankly, while it's fun to watch, the storylines are flawed: In Part 1, if Reese has to be sent back in time to protect Sarah from the Terminator also going back in time, was why that not considered the initial move when Skynet takes over? He states that the infiltration into the factory was complete and the squadron was considered on the brink of victory, so then all of a sudden this intelligent super-computer decides 'Fuck it, I've got to kill the mother who gives birth to the leader of the resistance instead of being shut down here.' For as much as was said about the machine's capacities and thinking capabilities, that's a pretty glaring oversight that doesn't make any sense at all.
As well, why only one person against a cybernetic organism? I know this is a sticking point many have called against this since it's a criticism against the second as well regarding the number of people capable of being sent back in time during the squadron's raid on Skynet in the future, but frankly, if John's able to reprogram their own machines against their wishes, shouldn't he have sent a captured Terminator back to save his mother instead of a soldier, or to ensure he would born since the one he sends back is his father, send them both back in time in the first place?
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Post by HNT on Aug 31, 2012 11:37:24 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic about Kindergarten Cop, man
First of all, they explained that a squadron couldn't have been sent because the time machine was smashed immediately thereafter. Remember? "Nobody else comes through. Nobody goes home?"
As for the second, they also explained that the humans got the ability to reprogram the Terminators later on after the more advanced model was created. It wasn't possible initially. The tougher question is why they waited until John was a teenager capable of taking care of himself rather than sending the terminator back to a time when he was an infant? . Other than that, you are prepared to accept that Arnie hides under a log at the end of Predator and survives a nuclear explosion, but not these little things? Weird.
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Post by GL on Sept 3, 2012 10:52:26 GMT -5
But, the arrival of the second one shoots the first one in the foot. Now, if Skynet sends the T-800 back to the 1980s to kill his mother before he's born, upon which John sends Reese back to protect her with the guise of no-one-comes-through, no-one-goes-home, how does the T-1000 and the reprogrammed T-800 get through to the 1990s? Even if John finds the room where they're stored as has been the suggestion of fans and the novelization that came out, how does that get through to come back to our time? And if there's only enough power for the one time trip that sends Reese back, the fact that the T-1000, the reprogrammed T-800 and the events of the third one are just too hard to ignore.
As for the mud escaping the vision, remember he's laying in an environment of roughly the same material while the Predator still has the helmet on. It's still in heat-mode, so if Arnie doesn't move and is covered in mud while laying in a similar environment, he disappears. Certainly believable. Now, when he crawls down the tree-trunk on top of him and doesn't see him, that's a bit out there and the nuclear explosion again makes no sense, but those are isolated incidents. The Terminator series has it's whole plot-line messed up. Big difference.
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