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Post by Lazario on Feb 8, 2008 13:01:47 GMT -5
the pacing does lag somewhat in the middle while we're waiting for Jason to get to work "Get to work"? That's an interesting image. If these movies are work for anyone other than the filmmakers, I don't think anyone would have much fun watching it. Though, I thought pacing throughout the entire film was perfect. the Final Girl battle is seriously lacking compared to the glorious ones it's sandwiched in between How?
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Post by GL on Feb 9, 2008 11:12:13 GMT -5
"Get to work" in starting his rampage. He starts knocking them off a little deep into the film, and there's a little too much time with them at the beginning wandering around the cabin.
As for the two Final Girl battles, look at Part 2. Ginny uses her brains to fight him (doubling back during the chase, using the chainsaw which was presented earlier) actually putting up a fight when cornered by Jason, and then there's the suberp moment in the shed when she dresses like Mrs. Voorhees and uses it to play with his head. Those are fantastic moments, using a clever and creative technique against him that is expertly done and comes off just as well.
In Part 4, not only does Trish have to successfully avoid Jason, but she also has to protect Tommy, nescessitating that she doesn't just run away but stay behind to protect him. One of the most absolutely spine-tingling moments in the series is when they try to walk over him to get out of the room and he lunges at her, seperating them in the hallway. He casts a single glance over at her and then stares down Tommy, and when she realizes what he's doing, she has to draw his attention to get away, even going so far as to lure him away back to the house next door to allow that. Plus, we even get more psychological head-games to come into play when Tommy enters in the finale with the head-shaving trick. Plus, there's all the wonderful gore at the end when he's finally dispatched with the machete.
As for Part 3, Chris spends the entire time cowering in fear until Jason slips up and allowing her to get to another hiding place and making him come after her. She never really puts up much of a fight and only through sheer luck and the fact that she manages to stab him in the leg and slows him down does she manage to stay as long as she does against him. Compared to the other two, which showed them as active, resourceful people who confronted him in their own manner, the fact that she just sits there and waits for death is a little disappointing.
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 8:44:56 GMT -5
"Get to work" in starting his rampage. He starts knocking them off a little deep into the film, and there's a little too much time with them at the beginning wandering around the cabin. I consider that to be one of the reasons the movie works so well. Because they milk every last drop of atmosphere out of these locations, which is very much amplified with how they put the music in. And even though there are some tired sex-comedy aspects here, there are far less than in the other movies (notably 1, 2, 4, 6). I agree people could get bored waiting, but not if they really love this series. They know the waiting is what makes the delivery so great. Because you get more bang for your buck with that score and these excellent woods locations. Since this is a franchise that is basically about teens / 20-somethings in the woods and they are stalked by Jason. And just think- this movie also managed to really deliver for its build-up. The deaths are Top-Notch, the death scenes are incredibly scary and suspenseful, and all this is without damaging the great atmosphere or fun the movie's built up. In short, it makes you accept the characters and what they're like before they get knocked off. You know the locations well, too, since they show them off as long as they do. So it's more of a surprise when Jason comes out at them to kill them. That's key to why we see these characters walk around so much of these locations, inhabiting the same spaces Jason will be killing them in. It doesn't really matter if the movie took "too long" to start killing the victims. Because you're still going to have the same amount of victims. The atmosphere is what keeps us entertained inbetween killings. In fact, in my opinion, this movie has a better balance of buildup versus delivery. Because in the story, if he kills them all one by one over a period of 35-40 minutes, don't you think they're going to start noticing that "so and so" is missing and go looking for them? They did that already in part 1. So, for part 3, he just kills them all pretty much at the same time. They're all awake, they're all isolated, none of them are in the same cabins / same rooms. As for the two Final Girl battles, look at Part 2. Ginny uses her brains to fight him (doubling back during the chase, using the chainsaw which was presented earlier) actually putting up a fight when cornered by Jason, and then there's the superb moment in the shed when she dresses like Mrs. Voorhees and uses it to play with his head. Those are fantastic moments, using a clever and creative technique against him that is expertly done and comes off just as well. In Part 4, not only does Trish have to successfully avoid Jason, but she also has to protect Tommy, nescessitating that she doesn't just run away but stay behind to protect him. One of the most absolutely spine-tingling moments in the series is when they try to walk over him to get out of the room and he lunges at her, seperating them in the hallway. He casts a single glance over at her and then stares down Tommy, and when she realizes what he's doing, she has to draw his attention to get away, even going so far as to lure him away back to the house next door to allow that. Plus, we even get more psychological head-games to come into play when Tommy enters in the finale with the head-shaving trick. Plus, there's all the wonderful gore at the end when he's finally dispatched with the machete. As for Part 3, Chris spends the entire time cowering in fear until Jason slips up and allowing her to get to another hiding place and making him come after her. She never really puts up much of a fight and only through sheer luck and the fact that she manages to stab him in the leg and slows him down does she manage to stay as long as she does against him. Compared to the other two, which showed them as active, resourceful people who confronted him in their own manner, the fact that she just sits there and waits for death is a little disappointing. You're faulting the writing of these movies for why part 3 doesn't have a very good chase? I don't know if you know this yet, but the writing is almost never the reason these movies are any good. The logic of all these chases are based on "in the moment" logic. I agree that Ginny was a good heroine for the reasons you mentioned. But that doesn't mean her scenes were better than Chris's. And as for Trish's chase, well when it's just her and Jason, the only thing that makes her scenes notable in the least is that she cuts his hand with the machete, leading to that great special effect with the blood gushing. Whether Chris looks like a wimp or not, her scenes remain far more suspenseful and classic within this series. Because the elements that propel these chase scenes are so at the top of their game. The music is better, the pacing is faster, and she gets one HELL of a workout. Running up stairs, down stairs, jumping into, then falling out of a 3-story window, taking the initiative to hit Jason with the log, running up the road, dealing with the sabotaged van, running to the barn, up in the loft... And more. But all the while, the music is accomodating all of these new scenes. Plus, there is actual scare quality coming from the setting. After finding a dead body, she is fighting the wind to both keep the house closed up, but also to call out to Rick, who she now has to think might be dead, or if he can't hear her because of the wind. This movie, unlike others in the series, actually thinks about how the weather will affect the characters in moments of terror. Plus, about the wind- what other Friday the 13th film was able to milk substancial atmosphere from something invisible (just this and part 6)? It emphasizes how cold it is outside, and is effectively used to blow open that window and begin unnerving Chris to the point where at the end, she is completely broken down. Her nerves are totally shot. And even though it could be said it's a negative way to portray a woman, I've always said calling characters wimps or critisizing their mental stability (as opposed to how a movie portrays their intelligence in the first place) is pointless and distracting to most horror movies. You just have to follow where the movie takes her. And this one takes her further than Ginny went alone in Part 2. So remember, she had help. Chris did not. Then, even though this ripped off the first movie a little (and neither Mrs. Voorhees in the lake, nor the biker's body in the tree worked as well as in part 1), considering who Chris is on the run from, this has the best chase scene of any of the sequels. In fact, I still think it is the only time the heroine is completely alone. Which excuses any of what you seem to consider weak behavior on her part. It was something new. This film decided that Jason could really drive a girl crazy. I sort of believed that. Since he's shown to be pretty unstoppable. This film never made people believe all women were easily unhinged. They went out of their way to show Chris had trauma from her past. Which is more backstory than any of the other heroines got (up to part 7).
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Post by GL on Feb 11, 2008 11:19:09 GMT -5
It took to long to get started, so I'm faulting it. The bikers lasted too long, as like in Halloween 4 with the lynch mob, they're there for the body count which is nice, though there's too much there. After a while, all the best suspense-building in the world can make it feel way too dull when the same thing happens over and over again. Same thing happens here: too much time to get to the good parts, no matter how well built-up the atmosphere is.
And Jason can fry her nerves all he wants, it's far less action-packed than 2 and 4, therefore it drops down, though it is the best part of the film. 2 and 4 were grand exercises in tension, action and actual smarts on the part of the heroines, and that leaves more of an impression than someone who starts going through catatonics at the sight of Jason and manages to luck out a victory against him.
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 14:24:02 GMT -5
After a while, all the best suspense-building in the world can make it feel way too dull when the same thing happens over and over again. Same thing happens here: too much time to get to the good parts, no matter how well built-up the atmosphere is. That's exactly the opposite of what I said. You probably deserve an award for that. But if you're trying to say atmosphere and suspense play no part in making a good movie- you're very much mistaken. That's why I say this movie is so great. Because it's still that thorough in these departments. And because it does this better than most of the other movies. Jason can fry her nerves all he wants, it's far less action-packed than 2 and 4, therefore it drops down, though it is the best part of the film. 2 and 4 were grand exercises in tension, action, and actual smarts on the part of the heroines, and that leaves more of an impression than someone who starts going through catatonics at the sight of Jason and manages to luck out a victory against him. Okay, that's your opinion. And I disagree. Big time.
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Post by GP on Feb 11, 2008 14:26:17 GMT -5
Okay, that's your opinion. And I disagree. I think that's progress!
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Post by Lazario on Feb 11, 2008 14:27:37 GMT -5
That's mature. I think...
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Post by CK on Feb 11, 2008 14:40:01 GMT -5
Boy I tell you the debates that have been going on about horror mivies here are only shadowed by the Democratic run for President! LOL
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Post by FireStar on Sept 19, 2009 22:19:45 GMT -5
I give it a 4, the pace is slower in this one than in 2 and 4 but I kind of liked that for a change of pace. The only thing that always drives me nuts when it comes to this one is Chris' uneeded monolouge about her early brush with Jason. Telling of a previous attack would have been fine but it was just the way it came over on the screen didn't work for me.
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