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Post by FireStar on Jun 16, 2012 7:37:03 GMT -5
I just thought this might start a fun debate. I know there are two opinions on what actually happened to Jason. Did he drown in Crystal Lake and then was resurrected by some supernatural force or did he wash up on the shore of the lake, alive and start living in the woods around it. Personally, I kind of switch between the two depending on which set of Jason movies I am the most into at the time. But I have always thought that the most logical(if you can apply that statement to any F13 movie ) would have to be that he somehow washed up on shore and moved into the woods. Any thoughts?
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Post by CT on Jun 16, 2012 12:59:10 GMT -5
Nice idea for a thread Fire, I've wondered this myself. He seems much more human than the later zombie Jason so that implies he might have not ever drowned. But then again, he still seems pretty superhuman and withstands a lot of punishment which makes me lean toward resurrected...
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Post by Jen on Jun 16, 2012 14:06:11 GMT -5
I always believed he was alive in the first four, and wasn't zombie Jason until part 6, when Tommy inadvertently resurrects him. I think he washed ashore, and was kind of confused about what had happened to him. In the first films he moved like a man, he ran to get where he was going, hell I think he might have even stumbled a time or two from what I remember.... I think the only reason he was able to take so much damage is because he never felt pain in the way most people do. He was obviously really strong, but I think that is more of way to make him "scary", not to imply that he was actually dead. I think Tommy killed him. And that is officially more thought than I have ever given to ANY of the Friday the 13th films.
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Post by Clathian Salvator on Jun 16, 2012 17:12:06 GMT -5
"Salvator stung by Jen" (notice below my avatar) Seriously though, this all depends on what you are going by. a. Within the realm of the film? b. what was intended by the film makers And even then its confusing: 1. The "world view" of the film plainly states that Jason Voorhee's 'drowned' in 1957 at Camp Crystal Lake. 2. The film makers created the story of a mother who takes revenge on camp counselors because they let her son Jason drown. 3. There was no intention of making another film and so, it would seem that Jason drowning in 1957 is taken as an indisputable fact. 4. Jason coming out of the water doesn't prove that Jason was alive, as that was a dream, and many years later. 5. Could he have taken that much damage in the part 2 and 3? in the middle of the woods with no medical attention? 6. Where did Jason get the ability to keep coming back after getting killed? We know he has this ability in the later films (after part 3) But if he had that ability, would he not have had that ability from the beginning? A suggestion that he did drown?
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Post by The Walking Dude on Jun 16, 2012 19:20:33 GMT -5
My theory has always been the Mrs. Voorhees actually went out and recovered his 'body',but actually found him barely alive,nursed him back to health,and in her insanity kept him locked up,hidden away from the world protecting him.
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Post by Jen on Jun 16, 2012 20:07:13 GMT -5
LOL......sorry about that....I'm not a huge fan of the series...though I still think they are fun.
To me, in the first film he was clearly supposed to have drowned.....but once he popped up in part 2, the mythology changed. I also find it hard to wrap my mind around the fact that he went in as a little boy and came out as a man......if he was resurrected by some supernatural force before part 6 then why wouldn't he had remained a child instead of growing up? Say that whatever force that brought him back allowed him to grow up, and that's a big leap for me, if he was already dead, and this is why he survived so much damage prior to 4, why wouldn't he have survived the attack made by Tommy? He obviously didn't. To me all of this raises more questions than the "he was still alive" theory. It's all kind of ridiculous though....lol. Obviously no man could survive the attacks he did, but I don't think the filmmakers gave that much thought. Probably so each film COULD be the last one. I also think people that make films think just flat out crazy can explain away a whole lot.
I would support Matt's theory actually, but figure that Mrs. Voorhees would have had to broken with reality so much that despite having her son back and taking care of him, she still believed him to be dead at times.
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Post by CT on Jun 16, 2012 20:19:00 GMT -5
Jen has convinced me and I like Matt's variation on the theory as well. I vote that he survived the drowning. Mrs. Voorhees clearly considers him dead in some respect but she's not exactly a pillar of sanity. His life as an actual member of society could be what died.
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Post by Clathian Salvator on Jun 17, 2012 10:58:06 GMT -5
I wonder why Jason looked so different between parts 1 and 2? Part 1, bald pinhead, part 2 full beard and long hair? Now obviously Jason had no hair as a child as a result of his condition being born, so he would not all of a sudden be able to grow hair.
So here is another theory to wrap your head around Jen...maybe it wasn't really Jason in the second film? It could at least make the time line seem more plausible and the fact that he looked completely different. So part 1...Jason....part 2....not Jason......the rest...Jason.
Just a thought.
I always thought there was something about his mom's comment...'Look what you did to him." Could this suggest that she means they have turned him into some kind of supernatural monster?
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Post by FireStar on Jun 17, 2012 11:08:59 GMT -5
Good point Matt. I never thought about it that way, it does seem possible that Mrs. Voorhees would do something like that. I mean if she was crazy enough to believe that the new counselors in 1980 were involved in the drowning of her son some 24 years earlier when they probably hadn't even been born yet then her finding Jason alive and hiding him away does seem possible. Especially if you consider the possibility that she may have aleady been somewhat disturbed before Jason ever went to camp.
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Post by Leatherface on Jun 17, 2012 11:14:35 GMT -5
There's another possibility, maybe he never drowned period. He could have wandered away from the Camp as a kid, got lost and his mom thought he drowned and went crazy, Jason probably lived in the woods off of wildlife and clothe she stole from clothing lines.
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Post by GL on Jun 18, 2012 10:29:59 GMT -5
Hmm, I'll have to give this a bit of thought. Looking at these with a sense of logic is a task far too greater than what I can do in my current state right now.
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Post by GP on Jun 18, 2012 10:52:54 GMT -5
Jason drowns in the lake but is pulled ashore by his mother and somehow resuscitated. Sadly, due to oxygen starvation to his brain, he is extraordinarily damaged as a person. Mrs Voorhees grieves as if he is dead (because essentially personality wise he is). Because she is a nutcase and he is too damaged and unpredictable to have about the house (and he keeps eating her cats) she keeps the living hulk, a shell of his former self, in a shack in the woods where he grows very tall from eating squirrels. His only friend was the old dude on the bike, who brought him old skin mags from time to time. His appearance over the following films depends upon his variable fashion sense and the styles of the time.
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Post by CT on Jun 18, 2012 11:15:19 GMT -5
Jason drowns in the lake but is pulled ashore by his mother and somehow resuscitated. Sadly, due to oxygen starvation to his brain, he is extraordinarily damaged as a person. Mrs Voorhees grieves as if he is dead (because essentially personality wise he is). Because she is a nutcase and he is too damaged and unpredictable to have about the house (and he keeps eating her cats) she keeps the living hulk, a shell of his former self, in a shack in the woods where he grows very tall from eating squirrels. His only friend was the old dude on the bike, who brought him old skin mags from time to time. His appearance over the following films depends upon his variable fashion sense and the styles of the time.
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Post by Jen on Jun 18, 2012 11:32:38 GMT -5
Jason drowns in the lake but is pulled ashore by his mother and somehow resuscitated. Sadly, due to oxygen starvation to his brain, he is extraordinarily damaged as a person. Mrs Voorhees grieves as if he is dead (because essentially personality wise he is). Because she is a nutcase and he is too damaged and unpredictable to have about the house (and he keeps eating her cats) she keeps the living hulk, a shell of his former self, in a shack in the woods where he grows very tall from eating squirrels. His only friend was the old dude on the bike, who brought him old skin mags from time to time. His appearance over the following films depends upon his variable fashion sense and the styles of the time. Works for me.....
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Post by FireStar on Jun 18, 2012 16:42:35 GMT -5
Jason drowns in the lake but is pulled ashore by his mother and somehow resuscitated. Sadly, due to oxygen starvation to his brain, he is extraordinarily damaged as a person. Mrs Voorhees grieves as if he is dead (because essentially personality wise he is). Because she is a nutcase and he is too damaged and unpredictable to have about the house (and he keeps eating her cats) she keeps the living hulk, a shell of his former self, in a shack in the woods where he grows very tall from eating squirrels. His only friend was the old dude on the bike, who brought him old skin mags from time to time. His appearance over the following films depends upon his variable fashion sense and the styles of the time. That's great, the image of Jason looking at skin mags is definetly the stuff of nightmares.
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